Brian
I second your last post and think that anyone on this list outta know
right well how to read the facts mam located on the very front page of
this talk list. If ya can't figure it out, then there's something very
wrong with the picture.
People who say that some of us might be elitist? Well, you're damned
right, I'm going to protect the boxes that I think are special and
worth the extra effort, and I'm going to make sure that unless you're
worthy of my box, that you're not going to get at it. If this offends
you, then don't read it. Too bad that some of you folks can't
appreciate fine artwork.
Phyto
Just the facts mam
10 messages in this thread |
Started on 2004-05-14
Just the facts mam
From: Phyto (phyto_me@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 12:37:51 UTC
Re: Just the facts mam
From: LoneLetterboxer (JustBeth65@msn.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 15:25:39 UTC
I hate to admit this but after what happened to me yesterday I know
exactly how Phyto feels. I feel like I need to protect my boxes from
others who simply won't take the effort it takes to care for them
properly AND silly as this sounds over a letterbox I would be SO
upset if something happened to one of these , or the entire series of
boxes!!
~JustBeth
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto" wrote:
> Brian
> I second your last post and think that anyone on this list outta
know
> right well how to read the facts mam located on the very front page
of
> this talk list. If ya can't figure it out, then there's something
very
> wrong with the picture.
>
> People who say that some of us might be elitist? Well, you're damned
> right, I'm going to protect the boxes that I think are special and
> worth the extra effort, and I'm going to make sure that unless
you're
> worthy of my box, that you're not going to get at it. If this
offends
> you, then don't read it. Too bad that some of you folks can't
> appreciate fine artwork.
>
> Phyto
exactly how Phyto feels. I feel like I need to protect my boxes from
others who simply won't take the effort it takes to care for them
properly AND silly as this sounds over a letterbox I would be SO
upset if something happened to one of these , or the entire series of
boxes!!
~JustBeth
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto"
> Brian
> I second your last post and think that anyone on this list outta
know
> right well how to read the facts mam located on the very front page
of
> this talk list. If ya can't figure it out, then there's something
very
> wrong with the picture.
>
> People who say that some of us might be elitist? Well, you're damned
> right, I'm going to protect the boxes that I think are special and
> worth the extra effort, and I'm going to make sure that unless
you're
> worthy of my box, that you're not going to get at it. If this
offends
> you, then don't read it. Too bad that some of you folks can't
> appreciate fine artwork.
>
> Phyto
Just the facts mam
From: Carlos Brimer (wildhawk@blomand.net) |
Date: 2004-05-14 11:02:08 UTC-05:00
You know Brian and Phyto after reading both of your posts, I'm really
wondering what I can talk about on this list.
God forbid I should have a question about letterboxing in any way shape or
form that either of you might be "experts" on.
I can already see that if I asked such a question I would be shot down in
flames, and you people wonder why newbies leave letterboxing and end up
geocaching or something else.
Also, one more thing, these types of posts make me NOT want to go
letterboxing!
I have to remind myself that not all letterboxers are this way.
And NO I DO NOT expect every single clue to be handed to me on a silver
platter!!! What I do EXPECT is that if I make a mistake at least I can get
pointed in the right direction, without getting beat over the head for
it!!!!!
Wildhawk
wondering what I can talk about on this list.
God forbid I should have a question about letterboxing in any way shape or
form that either of you might be "experts" on.
I can already see that if I asked such a question I would be shot down in
flames, and you people wonder why newbies leave letterboxing and end up
geocaching or something else.
Also, one more thing, these types of posts make me NOT want to go
letterboxing!
I have to remind myself that not all letterboxers are this way.
And NO I DO NOT expect every single clue to be handed to me on a silver
platter!!! What I do EXPECT is that if I make a mistake at least I can get
pointed in the right direction, without getting beat over the head for
it!!!!!
Wildhawk
Re: Just the facts mam
From: psycomommy2003 (ktborrelli@hotmail.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 21:38:04 UTC
I'll third that post. If it was a snake, it would have.... well, ya
know.... Do your research!!! (I would have made a bitchin'
professor)
I don't give a rats ass what people think of me, I'm crazy anyway.
Psychomom
-- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto" wrote:
> Brian
> I second your last post and think that anyone on this list outta
know
> right well how to read the facts mam located on the very front page
of
> this talk list. If ya can't figure it out, then there's something
very
> wrong with the picture.
>
> People who say that some of us might be elitist? Well, you're damned
> right, I'm going to protect the boxes that I think are special and
> worth the extra effort, and I'm going to make sure that unless
you're
> worthy of my box, that you're not going to get at it. If this
offends
> you, then don't read it. Too bad that some of you folks can't
> appreciate fine artwork.
>
> Phyto
know.... Do your research!!! (I would have made a bitchin'
professor)
I don't give a rats ass what people think of me, I'm crazy anyway.
Psychomom
-- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto"
> Brian
> I second your last post and think that anyone on this list outta
know
> right well how to read the facts mam located on the very front page
of
> this talk list. If ya can't figure it out, then there's something
very
> wrong with the picture.
>
> People who say that some of us might be elitist? Well, you're damned
> right, I'm going to protect the boxes that I think are special and
> worth the extra effort, and I'm going to make sure that unless
you're
> worthy of my box, that you're not going to get at it. If this
offends
> you, then don't read it. Too bad that some of you folks can't
> appreciate fine artwork.
>
> Phyto
Re: [LbNA] Re: Just the facts mam
From: dave & diane (vonderinsel@cox.net) |
Date: 2004-05-14 23:44:59 UTC-04:00
Sorry, dude, but when I put my poor, defenseless boxes out there *they ain't MY boxes anymore*. I put them out knowing dang well that nasty things may happen to them. That's the chance I take to offer back to the LB community something in return for *their* neat boxes. Boxes they put out freely for the unwashed common folks like me.
Sure, it hurts to think my really spiffy A Major Award hitchhiker got trashed right after I put it out, and no one even got a chance to see it! Heck, I thought it was my best effort so far.
Life's like that. As long as I'm not deployed to Iraq, I can take anything else in stride. Have some sense of proportion. My parents sent nine children out into the world - we can show some fortitude putting out boxes of stamps.
Love like it never hurts. Dance like no one is watching. (And you other guys stop beating up on people who asked questions just because you've already had that question answered for you.)
Dave
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----- Original Message -----
From: LoneLetterboxer
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Just the facts mam
I hate to admit this but after what happened to me yesterday I know
exactly how Phyto feels. I feel like I need to protect my boxes from
others who simply won't take the effort it takes to care for them
properly AND silly as this sounds over a letterbox I would be SO
upset if something happened to one of these , or the entire series of
boxes!!
~JustBeth
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto" wrote:
> Brian
> I second your last post and think that anyone on this list outta
know
> right well how to read the facts mam located on the very front page
of
> this talk list. If ya can't figure it out, then there's something
very
> wrong with the picture.
>
> People who say that some of us might be elitist? Well, you're damned
> right, I'm going to protect the boxes that I think are special and
> worth the extra effort, and I'm going to make sure that unless
you're
> worthy of my box, that you're not going to get at it. If this
offends
> you, then don't read it. Too bad that some of you folks can't
> appreciate fine artwork.
>
> Phyto
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Sure, it hurts to think my really spiffy A Major Award hitchhiker got trashed right after I put it out, and no one even got a chance to see it! Heck, I thought it was my best effort so far.
Life's like that. As long as I'm not deployed to Iraq, I can take anything else in stride. Have some sense of proportion. My parents sent nine children out into the world - we can show some fortitude putting out boxes of stamps.
Love like it never hurts. Dance like no one is watching. (And you other guys stop beating up on people who asked questions just because you've already had that question answered for you.)
Dave
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P9 F175 X93 H3 E1
----- Original Message -----
From: LoneLetterboxer
To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 11:25 AM
Subject: [LbNA] Re: Just the facts mam
I hate to admit this but after what happened to me yesterday I know
exactly how Phyto feels. I feel like I need to protect my boxes from
others who simply won't take the effort it takes to care for them
properly AND silly as this sounds over a letterbox I would be SO
upset if something happened to one of these , or the entire series of
boxes!!
~JustBeth
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "Phyto"
> Brian
> I second your last post and think that anyone on this list outta
know
> right well how to read the facts mam located on the very front page
of
> this talk list. If ya can't figure it out, then there's something
very
> wrong with the picture.
>
> People who say that some of us might be elitist? Well, you're damned
> right, I'm going to protect the boxes that I think are special and
> worth the extra effort, and I'm going to make sure that unless
you're
> worthy of my box, that you're not going to get at it. If this
offends
> you, then don't read it. Too bad that some of you folks can't
> appreciate fine artwork.
>
> Phyto
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Re: [LbNA] Just the facts mam
From: Victoria Nickles (deviltechie@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-14 22:48:42 UTC-07:00
THANK YOU!!!
I've been reading all these angry posts bashing newbies and I'm wondering what's the big deal? Yes, "newbies" tend to ask annoying questions, but get over it. It's life, it happens all the time, or do you live in a plastic bubble people? Everybody asks stupid questions, and a lot of people probably perfer a "one-on-one" teaching of sorts than reading it on the FAQ's. It gives it a better sense of connection, which isn't that what this list is about?
Deviltechie
Carlos Brimer wrote:
You know Brian and Phyto after reading both of your posts, I'm really
wondering what I can talk about on this list.
God forbid I should have a question about letterboxing in any way shape or
form that either of you might be "experts" on.
I can already see that if I asked such a question I would be shot down in
flames, and you people wonder why newbies leave letterboxing and end up
geocaching or something else.
Also, one more thing, these types of posts make me NOT want to go
letterboxing!
I have to remind myself that not all letterboxers are this way.
And NO I DO NOT expect every single clue to be handed to me on a silver
platter!!! What I do EXPECT is that if I make a mistake at least I can get
pointed in the right direction, without getting beat over the head for
it!!!!!
Wildhawk
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I've been reading all these angry posts bashing newbies and I'm wondering what's the big deal? Yes, "newbies" tend to ask annoying questions, but get over it. It's life, it happens all the time, or do you live in a plastic bubble people? Everybody asks stupid questions, and a lot of people probably perfer a "one-on-one" teaching of sorts than reading it on the FAQ's. It gives it a better sense of connection, which isn't that what this list is about?
Deviltechie
Carlos Brimer
You know Brian and Phyto after reading both of your posts, I'm really
wondering what I can talk about on this list.
God forbid I should have a question about letterboxing in any way shape or
form that either of you might be "experts" on.
I can already see that if I asked such a question I would be shot down in
flames, and you people wonder why newbies leave letterboxing and end up
geocaching or something else.
Also, one more thing, these types of posts make me NOT want to go
letterboxing!
I have to remind myself that not all letterboxers are this way.
And NO I DO NOT expect every single clue to be handed to me on a silver
platter!!! What I do EXPECT is that if I make a mistake at least I can get
pointed in the right direction, without getting beat over the head for
it!!!!!
Wildhawk
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[LbNA] Re: Just the facts mam
From: zed_boxing (szorzi_1999@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-15 12:02:21 UTC
Nine children?! Well, THAT explains everything...
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dave & diane"
wrote:
> Life's like that. As long as I'm not deployed to Iraq, I can take
anything else in stride. Have some sense of proportion. My parents
sent nine children out into the world - we can show some fortitude
putting out boxes of stamps.
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, "dave & diane"
> Life's like that. As long as I'm not deployed to Iraq, I can take
anything else in stride. Have some sense of proportion. My parents
sent nine children out into the world - we can show some fortitude
putting out boxes of stamps.
Re: [LbNA] Just the facts mam
From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-15 06:23:18 UTC-07:00
I looked through the archives and read the FAQ when I
first joined this list (won't say I STUDIED them,
because I didn't, but I did look and read), and I
listened for a bit before I posted, but I was excited
about getting started and I still had questions. I
had no frame of reference to understand some of what I
read in the archives. The FAQ was great, but it was
still sometimes difficult to get a dynamic picture of
what letterboxing is about. Think of it kind of like
a textbook - you can hand a student an algebra book,
and they can maybe figure out how to do algebra, but
if you hand them the book AND you have a dialog with
them about algebra, they will truly learn to
UNDERSTAND algebra.
As it happens, I joined the list in the middle of a
huge heated debate that disintegrated before my eyes
into a flame war. It was not conducive to a newbie
who wanted to learn about letterboxing, so I kept my
questions to myself. I also didn't advertise myself
as a newbie for fear of being squashed like a bug!
Shouldn't there be some tolerance here? I mean, this
is a community of sorts, and a good old adage is "you
are only as strong as your weakest link". A newbie
asking a "dumb" question today maybe a seasoned pro
placing great boxes in a sparsely populated area next
year. If we are patient and tolerant of the new ones,
we become a larger stronger community.
For those of you who consider yourselves to be the
elite, I applaud you. You are striving to be the best
of the best in letterboxing. You are giving me
something to look up to and strive for myself. Thank
you for that. But consider this: you can get to the
top of the heap in two ways: you can chop away at it
and run people off so they don't want to be a part of
the heap and then what are you the elite of? Or you
can build the heap up by helping to raise the lesser
ones like me to a higher level and then, instead of
being the top of the heap, you can be kings of the
mountain.
Lucy
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first joined this list (won't say I STUDIED them,
because I didn't, but I did look and read), and I
listened for a bit before I posted, but I was excited
about getting started and I still had questions. I
had no frame of reference to understand some of what I
read in the archives. The FAQ was great, but it was
still sometimes difficult to get a dynamic picture of
what letterboxing is about. Think of it kind of like
a textbook - you can hand a student an algebra book,
and they can maybe figure out how to do algebra, but
if you hand them the book AND you have a dialog with
them about algebra, they will truly learn to
UNDERSTAND algebra.
As it happens, I joined the list in the middle of a
huge heated debate that disintegrated before my eyes
into a flame war. It was not conducive to a newbie
who wanted to learn about letterboxing, so I kept my
questions to myself. I also didn't advertise myself
as a newbie for fear of being squashed like a bug!
Shouldn't there be some tolerance here? I mean, this
is a community of sorts, and a good old adage is "you
are only as strong as your weakest link". A newbie
asking a "dumb" question today maybe a seasoned pro
placing great boxes in a sparsely populated area next
year. If we are patient and tolerant of the new ones,
we become a larger stronger community.
For those of you who consider yourselves to be the
elite, I applaud you. You are striving to be the best
of the best in letterboxing. You are giving me
something to look up to and strive for myself. Thank
you for that. But consider this: you can get to the
top of the heap in two ways: you can chop away at it
and run people off so they don't want to be a part of
the heap and then what are you the elite of? Or you
can build the heap up by helping to raise the lesser
ones like me to a higher level and then, instead of
being the top of the heap, you can be kings of the
mountain.
Lucy
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Re: [LbNA] Just the facts mam
From: Phyto (phyto_me@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-15 13:30:10 UTC
--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Barefoot Lucy wrote:
> I looked through the archives and read the FAQ when I
> first joined this list (won't say I STUDIED them <>
IMHO the best possible way to learn about the ways of boxing is just by going out
there and seeing what others have done...the good, the bad, the ugly, the amazing
- it is all out there for you to enjoy. That is one of the best qualities about this
hobby - that it gives everyone a chance to participate in some way whether they are
an expert bookbinder and restore antique books - and make the most incredible
hand-crafted logbooks that I've ever seen, or maybe they are an incredible clue-
crafter....or an amazing carver...or perhaps they are just good at sharing special
places with others.
I think that despite all the quote: "perfectionsim and elitism" that I really enjoy each
and every single box I've found for one reason or another. Besides, if there weren't
differences then there would be no gossip at the gatherings, and everyone knows
that I'm just there for the gossip ;-) right mark?!
I hardly consider myself a "seasoned" letterboxer. Others might disagree or agree, I
don't really care. All I know is that when I started there were NO boxes in Portland
(Maine that is) and now there are new boxers, and amazing fun new boxes and I'm
having a blast. Thank you to all the cool letterboxers in Maine. Rock on!!
phyto
(after 1 cup of coffee)
> I looked through the archives and read the FAQ when I
> first joined this list (won't say I STUDIED them <
IMHO the best possible way to learn about the ways of boxing is just by going out
there and seeing what others have done...the good, the bad, the ugly, the amazing
- it is all out there for you to enjoy. That is one of the best qualities about this
hobby - that it gives everyone a chance to participate in some way whether they are
an expert bookbinder and restore antique books - and make the most incredible
hand-crafted logbooks that I've ever seen, or maybe they are an incredible clue-
crafter....or an amazing carver...or perhaps they are just good at sharing special
places with others.
I think that despite all the quote: "perfectionsim and elitism" that I really enjoy each
and every single box I've found for one reason or another. Besides, if there weren't
differences then there would be no gossip at the gatherings, and everyone knows
that I'm just there for the gossip ;-) right mark?!
I hardly consider myself a "seasoned" letterboxer. Others might disagree or agree, I
don't really care. All I know is that when I started there were NO boxes in Portland
(Maine that is) and now there are new boxers, and amazing fun new boxes and I'm
having a blast. Thank you to all the cool letterboxers in Maine. Rock on!!
phyto
(after 1 cup of coffee)
Re: [LbNA] Just the facts mam
From: Barefoot Lucy (barefootlucy@yahoo.com) |
Date: 2004-05-15 06:59:45 UTC-07:00
--- Phyto wrote:
> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Barefoot Lucy
> wrote:
> > I looked through the archives and read the FAQ
> when I
> > first joined this list (won't say I STUDIED them
> <>
>
> IMHO the best possible way to learn about the ways
> of boxing is just by going out
> there and seeing what others have done...the good,
> the bad, the ugly, the amazing
> - it is all out there for you to enjoy.
Phyto,
I think that's an element of one of the points I
didn't make very well. How do you know how to go out
there and do it if you don't get a little education
about it first? I'm the sort of person that will
read, read, read, then do. I had a stack of books
about childbirth that I read before I gave birth. I
learned a lot by reading, but there was no way those
books could have prepared me for the real thing! Lots
of people aren't like that - they don't want to read,
can't read, aren't comfortable with the internet
maybe? But they might be artists and naturalists who
will make excellent letterboxers, if allowed to get
familiar with it in their own way.
Newbies have heard about letterboxing somehow.
They've found our list and see there are lots of other
letterboxers out there and some of them are obviously
really, really into it and have lots of experience - a
wealth of resource to tap into! They are excited to
get out and go - they just want to do it - but they
don't quite know how. They just want to ask a few
questions and hit the trail. So they post a question
and get blasted for not reading the archives and FAQ.
Maybe they decide this big intimidating list isn't for
them, but they are still intrigued by letterboxing, so
they find some clues and they just get out there and
go. But they haven't read or heard about etiquette
issues like rehiding or contacting placers or
whatever. They are letterboxing, but they aren't
letterboxing well. And then other letterboxers get
upset with them. And there goes that vicious circle
again!
Lucy
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> --- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Barefoot Lucy
>
> > I looked through the archives and read the FAQ
> when I
> > first joined this list (won't say I STUDIED them
> <
>
> IMHO the best possible way to learn about the ways
> of boxing is just by going out
> there and seeing what others have done...the good,
> the bad, the ugly, the amazing
> - it is all out there for you to enjoy.
Phyto,
I think that's an element of one of the points I
didn't make very well. How do you know how to go out
there and do it if you don't get a little education
about it first? I'm the sort of person that will
read, read, read, then do. I had a stack of books
about childbirth that I read before I gave birth. I
learned a lot by reading, but there was no way those
books could have prepared me for the real thing! Lots
of people aren't like that - they don't want to read,
can't read, aren't comfortable with the internet
maybe? But they might be artists and naturalists who
will make excellent letterboxers, if allowed to get
familiar with it in their own way.
Newbies have heard about letterboxing somehow.
They've found our list and see there are lots of other
letterboxers out there and some of them are obviously
really, really into it and have lots of experience - a
wealth of resource to tap into! They are excited to
get out and go - they just want to do it - but they
don't quite know how. They just want to ask a few
questions and hit the trail. So they post a question
and get blasted for not reading the archives and FAQ.
Maybe they decide this big intimidating list isn't for
them, but they are still intrigued by letterboxing, so
they find some clues and they just get out there and
go. But they haven't read or heard about etiquette
issues like rehiding or contacting placers or
whatever. They are letterboxing, but they aren't
letterboxing well. And then other letterboxers get
upset with them. And there goes that vicious circle
again!
Lucy
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